to discuss these things, to understand how the system works, to participate. in san francisco, we would have a day called youth in government day. everybody in the class would get to go shadow one of the board of supervisors. i remember that. like the mayor or the city attorney to find out what his job was like. that was a good thing. one of the reasons -- one of the things i thought in architecture in australia, they built a parliament. this. the building goes down almost to the ground and it is covered with grass. the children would go to the top and they would roll down to the bottom. i thought that was a good idea. the association in their mind would be this democratic government of australia has a place where i can go roll down the hill. it will have a positive association andit will make them more interested. i am pointing out there is no simple technique. ultimately, it does depend on building support for this idea. it means explaining, debating, discussing. the press shows everybody what is going on. if there had been people there, i think the report on things, maybe some terrible th